Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hey, everybody. Sleaves Senior Pickleball Report is brought to you by TNC Network. Get ready for an exciting episode of People of Pickleball with me, Mike Slieva. We're about to dive deep into conversations with influential figures from the world of pickleball.
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[00:00:20] Speaker B: Today in our People of Pickleball episode, we speak with Stacy Cleary from 4 Joy Pickleball Paddles. And we talk about a lot of things. I did a review of one of her padd. The artwork is incredible on these paddles. High quality paddles, high end artwork. More to come as what I'm hearing from Stacy. And we talk about a number of things. Her incredible journey, the designs that she has created and having others create as well, and highlighting some artists out there, hopefully in the future, really taking pride in her work. And it's really cool to see the artistic side of Pickle Pickleball paddle. So stay tuned for that. But if you like this content, consider subscribing to the channel. Check out our newsletter as well, links in the description for all discounts and anything you could think of. And at the end of the day, folks, you know what to do. Hit that like and subscribe button. Keep us going. And let's get to that interview with Stacy Cleary from For Joy.
[00:01:29] Speaker A: All right, we are joined by stacy cleary for fourjoypaddles.com I'll attach, obviously, my review because these paddles are not only gorgeous, but they're very high functioning and you can put a lot of spin on them. But before we get to any of that, Stacy, we got to find out. You know, it's one thing to obviously start a company, but you had to get into pickleball prior to that. And so I want to know how this game sort of captivated you and, you know, obviously took over a large portion of your life or did like.
[00:02:03] Speaker C: It does most people who start playing the game.
[00:02:05] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:02:06] Speaker C: But yeah, we. We actually started during COVID So lucky. My husband had signed up for our town summer session. And so it was 2020, started around June. I'm a teacher actually. So we were remote teaching 2020. And, um, and then we got out there in the middle of the summer with our masks. Like town mandated, you had to wear masks. And it was like the middle of the summer or whatever, and we were, you know, tapping paddles instead of shaking hands, which I think standard now is what you do. But.
And that's. That's where it all began is the summer of 2020 playing out there. During COVID and being so grateful to just get out of the house and, like, meet people and talk to humans and.
[00:02:55] Speaker A: Right.
Like everybody else. I came across the game in 2020 during COVID I was playing with friends and family in Tahoe, and, you know, I live in the middle of nowhere, so I thought, like, God, this game is great, but where? Like, where am I ever going to play it again? And then I come back, and somebody had painted some pickleball lines on these dilapidated tennis courts near me, and I was like, somebody's playing this game.
I was also a teacher. I taught high school for 12 years. My wife taught high school as well. And we. We were somewhat thankful that we missed the COVID teaching experience, because my friends and family who teach are like, holy cow. You thought the workload was something before that.
How did you survive that?
[00:03:41] Speaker C: It was insane. It was really like you had to learn a whole new skill set in a matter of minutes. Like, you know, just the digital side of things. We just had to. And I'm an art teacher, so it felt like it was almost doubly as hard because I couldn't give them material. Like, we actually made up little ziploc bags and materials, and we're handing them out to kids. Like, families would drive by and be like, here's some colored pencils.
It was a lot.
[00:04:14] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure.
[00:04:15] Speaker C: And then actually, during that, I really started to work on digital art, because at least that was something that I could kind of do with them online. And we got some digital art tools going. And so, you know, I mean, I'm an artist, too. I do painting and drawing, and I do everything. Sort of a jack of all trades. And then that's where the digital art came in. And so it was. It's sort of like where the. For joy. I was able to actually make a product out of this new skill.
[00:04:45] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. I mean, you can tell you have a background in art, because I've reviewed a ton of paddles over the last two to three years. And yours, there's only a few that stick out, but yours really stick out.
They're just.
I don't know. I think, for me, I think part of this. And I don't want this to come off wrong, because they just don't feel.
They don't feel manufactured. The art doesn't feel manufactured. It doesn't feel like somebody went through a catalog.
[00:05:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:05:16] Speaker A: And picked a couple graphics and then put them on, and then I don't understand the choices they made.
[00:05:21] Speaker C: Right, right. Or it's like A wallpaper.
[00:05:24] Speaker A: Let's just put something.
I mean, yours feels like the one I received.
The sunset is that. Yeah, it's like a watercolor.
[00:05:35] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, I really did work on, like blending the colors and getting.
[00:05:39] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:05:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I really, I kind of, you know, my husband would be like, are you done yet? I'm like, blended a little bit more.
[00:05:49] Speaker A: And yeah, when I show people the paddle and I put it on the fence, it's always. It stops people. It's one of the few paddles that stops people.
And then they pick it up and they're like, you know, does the way it look match the way it's going to play? You know, it looks great. It's different than anything I've seen. And then they hit it and yeah, you didn't mess around. Like, you just didn't like, pick some random, you know, $40 paddle you can get on Amazon and put some cool stuff on it. You picked up, you have a high performing paddle that looks phenomenal too. And obviously we'll get into some of the cool things you're doing with the company. So talk. Talk about like getting in creating the designs because they're all unique.
[00:06:35] Speaker C: Yeah. I went through many iterations and there were probably almost 10 or 12 different designs that I sort of started with. And I did a lot of my poor family and friends of questionnaires, like, what do you think of this one? You know, smart. Yeah. So.
So I. And then at the end of the day, it was, you know, me making the decision saying, actually I just really, like, I knew sunset, like had to be in it. And then this white palm.
[00:07:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:08] Speaker C: Was another that I just loved. And people gave me a lot of good feedback on and I spent a lot of time with the coloring of this one.
[00:07:15] Speaker A: Right.
[00:07:16] Speaker C: So, yeah, I just, I tried.
Important thing for me was to get something that was really visually, like, just grabbed your attention.
I wanted, like, part of it was so what had like kind of to backtrack a little.
[00:07:36] Speaker A: When.
[00:07:36] Speaker C: When we were out there during COVID and playing, one of the players had built one of these, like, clip things to put your paddles in, like next up in line. And.
And so, you know, we had our paddles up in line and I just kind of remember looking at all these gray and black and just unattractive paddles, and someone would hold up this paddle and whose gray paddle is this? And everyone would turn and look and it would be like, why is this happening? I don't understand. This is a flat calling for art.
[00:08:10] Speaker A: I just said, yeah, it should be fun.
[00:08:13] Speaker C: It's such a fun sport. We need to have fun paddles. We need to have paddles. And you know, of course like the art piece of needs to be not like just a logo or, you know, I wanted it to have like a little bit more to it. And then when I, you know, started to go down the road of like, oh, I think I'm going to do this, then I was thinking of the name. So that was a tough one. Like coming up with a brand name is not an easy thing to do. Mostly because most names are taken and you have to do like all this research. And so I came up with all these great names and a lot of them are taken by not necessarily other paddle companies, but just generally like a trademarks names, right?
[00:08:58] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure.
[00:08:59] Speaker C: And so I came up with the name. Luckily I was actually gonna. It's a funny story because I have a trademark company I was working with to submit the name and I was gonna call the company a Joy. I decided Joy needed to be in the. In the name for sure.
[00:09:16] Speaker A: With those paddles. Absolutely.
[00:09:18] Speaker C: It was just, it was just like we play for Joy or it's a joyful sport Joy. It just felt like I need to be in there.
[00:09:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:24] Speaker C: And so I submitted, I called them to say, okay, I have the name, I just need to double check. And it was going to be a Joy because I figured like we. It's a joy to play and like right. Letter A might be smart. And so they didn't call me back right away. And then I went to play pickleball that night and I on the courts and there's four players on the court and I'm just, it's just hit me like a bolt of lightning. Like four Joy. We play for Joy. There's four players and it's four people in my family. And then, and then I like for Joy. Can you do it? They're like, it's not submitting right now.
[00:09:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean it's a great choice. It rolls off the tongue easy. I like it. Anytime I go to the URL, I just have to put four in and it just pops in and I have to keep typing the next one and the next one and I get to you really quick. And I have not had anybody that has not loved that paddle, at least just on sightseeing.
It does bring a great deal of joy at the courts and I've, I've taken it several places, several states. I brought it to Pickle Con, I brought it to my parents place and obviously I Bring it to my courts here. So it's making the rounds.
[00:10:38] Speaker C: I'm gonna send you another one. I'll send you some more.
[00:10:40] Speaker A: It's making the rounds, you know, and I get a lot of different designs and things that are really cool.
[00:10:47] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:10:48] Speaker A: But a lot of times the match, it's not like the full, it doesn't check all the boxes. You know, it's great looking but it's a cheap paddle or it's a great paddle and it doesn't look great. But aesthetically you've done everything from the grip, you know, to the little band. And I'm an aesthetic guy, so when I open a box, I want to be like drawn to it. And then when I got that one and I started looking at some of the other ones, I'm like. And then I started thinking like, the sky's the limit for what you're going to be able to do because you're an artist and this is your first.
You just delved into this like you're just getting going. So, like, that's why I want you to keep. That's why I want you to keep you in business because I think what you have to offer is endless. So talk a little bit before we get into some of the aspects of the company itself. Like, where do you see it going design wise? Because you've done some great ones, you have some great responses. But yeah, I mean, it's not like you've created 30 paddles.
[00:11:49] Speaker C: No, I'm taking it slow. I'm taking like methodical about it. Just like I was with, like you said, all the details like the. Yeah, the bands and the edge guard and the grip and the, and the end cap, all of that stuff. I'm, you know, I'm very careful and maybe a bit of a perfectionist and I think of crafting things.
[00:12:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:11] Speaker C: And so I definitely am going to come out with new designs. I already have some in the works. My next plan was actually to put out a poll, socials and through my email list. So if anyone's not joined my email list, just go on my website and it'll pop up to join the email list and that way I can have more people voting.
[00:12:36] Speaker A: Yeah. And I can share the poll all over the place too.
[00:12:39] Speaker C: Yeah, that would be great. Because I decided that's one thing that I've learned through this process is getting feedback early before buying hundreds of paddles is really the way to go.
[00:12:53] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:12:53] Speaker C: And just see what people like. Because what I like, I've realized is not necessarily what everyone Else likes. And I've got actually a lot of people requesting more masculine designs. So listening to that and going to come out with stuff. Additionally, I am. I met some people that are other artists, so I may be licensing other artists, work on my paddles because there's so much talent out there and they would love to do the art piece and don't want anything to do with the business side. And so it's like, there's a lot of opportunity there where I can kind of share that, you know, spread the wealth a little bit. Right. With. Because in my family, they're my people.
[00:13:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:39] Speaker C: And get some really amazing other works of art out there.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's an interesting avenue that's really opened up for artists that I don't think people have really realized on some level yet.
And I call this peak paddle because, you know, I don't. I don't review the, like, what I call the Big ten, you know, the Yolas, the Selkirk. So first of all, they don't send me those, and that's fine. Everybody else is reviewing those.
[00:14:05] Speaker C: Right.
[00:14:07] Speaker A: I think what I enjoy the most is I get to review people that are getting going and really have a joy for it. Pun intended. But at the same time, I get it. You want to make money, you want to stay in business. But that's not really sort of the first instinct. It's like, I love this game. What can I contribute to it? What can I offer? And you've really. I don't know, for me, at least, you've struck a chord because there's probably a handful of companies that I look forward to their new designs. I mean, you've definitely cracked into that for sure. You're probably actually number one.
So I do think, like, what you mentioned, all these artists that are out there, and I talk to people about that, I'm like, maybe they don't want to start a panel company, but they have something to offer that you can maybe highlight their work and obviously and highlight your brand.
I want to touch on this too, because obviously, you know, in your website, you know, you started this company, it's funded by women.
I want. I want to see. Obviously, we've talked a little bit. You connect with other women and other groups and other brands, talk about the, you know, that aspect of it, because I'm starting to see more and more women only sort of companies within Pickleball.
There's a couple brands that I've interviewed, people that have done apparel, but you're the first paddle one that I've come across. So talk about that, the importance of that to you.
[00:15:40] Speaker C: Yeah, that's a big one.
I did a lot of research on that actually. I mean, yes, there are a few other women owned brands. I don't want to say I'm the only one because.
[00:15:50] Speaker A: No, no, but they're.
[00:15:54] Speaker C: They may have different focus than I have, but it is, I mean there's how many paddle manufacturers in this world? I think thousands at this point.
[00:16:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:06] Speaker C: And so, yes, it's a very small, small, small minority that women owned. And I just, you know, I'm on the courts and it's definitely 50, 50, if not some days more heavily women than men.
[00:16:24] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:16:26] Speaker C: And, and I just felt like their, their needs weren't necessarily being addressed as.
[00:16:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:36] Speaker C: Much as, you know, it's all this, the pro sports and the pro.
[00:16:41] Speaker A: Right.
[00:16:42] Speaker C: You know, and, and I, you know, I've spoken with some pros. Actually, actually Salome Divide D Z I had shared with at the convention in Las Vegas.
[00:16:57] Speaker A: Oh, okay, great.
[00:16:58] Speaker C: She partners with a brand called the One, which is a glove company and she, she wears that glove. She loves that glove. Anyway, we, I had a long car. She's amazing. She's.
I love her. And, and you know, she was really encouraging as another woman in the sport that, you know, you're doing, just keep going. What you're doing is the middle market. It's not the paddle freaks. I want to call them nerds.
[00:17:31] Speaker A: All the tacky stuff.
[00:17:35] Speaker C: They never buy my paddle and that's fine. I know that necessary for everyone.
But there's this place for it that I just have to, you know, develop and get the word out. But yeah, I mean, for sure I am. I'm a huge supporter of women owned businesses across the board of other places in my life. And, and so yeah, I do like to kind of highlight the fact that, you know, I'm just a teacher who decided to start a company.
[00:18:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:06] Speaker C: Not a young age and you know, it's been scary but really exciting. And you know, I, I know that we had talked about in the past that I'm also donating to four different causes.
[00:18:21] Speaker A: Right. Yeah, let's go into that. So what are some of the money going and why those causes?
[00:18:27] Speaker C: Sure. So after that first year of playing pickleball with my husband during COVID I got diagnosed with a brain tumor in 2021 and luckily I was so lucky. It was benign, but it was lodged in a tough spot and I had to have this pretty awful surgery to have removed and I had about a year recovery. So I was out of commission for a year, couldn't play, lost my balance, like had all kinds of recovery issues. But in that experience, I was just every day so grateful. Like I. You go through something like that and you, your life gets kind of put back in perspective and. And it's weird because before that I had actually two friends whose husbands had passed. Husband and mother in law had passed away from brain cancer. Oh. Like I was in my head that, you know, cancer, just so lucky. So anyway, the American Cancer Society is one of the causes that. Okay. Because of my experience, I also had a dear friend pass away from ovarian cancer the year before and she had this nine year battle. And it's one of those diseases that's missed. So ladies, get checked and don't listen to your doctor. Like ask more than one doctor because.
[00:19:46] Speaker A: Right.
[00:19:47] Speaker C: It's a hidden disease and you just really have to be pretty aggressive to go after what symptoms you have. So that's another one. The Alzheimer's Research Foundation. My brother in law, John Turner's amazing human being was diagnosed with Alzheimer's at 52.
[00:20:06] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
[00:20:07] Speaker C: Yeah. So that's. And who doesn't know someone affected by Alzheimer's?
[00:20:12] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:20:12] Speaker C: I mean, it's just, it's a horrible disease and it's pervasive. And you know, my mother in law, I mean, it's just everywhere. And so that, that was, you know, really important. Of course, the American. The Breast Cancer Research Foundation.
Again, who. Breast cancer.
[00:20:30] Speaker A: Right.
[00:20:31] Speaker C: Diseases. That is just like I know so many people who have been affected by that disease. So. So those are the four. And again, it kind of goes with four joy for designs, four causes. I had to, like, I had this huge list of things I wanted to donate to and we're like, no, no, no. Like let something in. Health, obviously, like pickleball is about health in so many ways. Right. You get physical health, mental health, social, emotional, like so, so health became the focus and then those four causes are just near and dear to my heart.
[00:21:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, obviously the four has really paid off for you in a lot of different ways. It's helped, it's really like you've mentioned, it's helped consolidate and help you focused on what you're doing with your brand. And I think that's what's interesting is with all these new brands coming into play, whether it's anything with pickleball, it's fun to see sort of the directions some of them take and the creativity that they take and everybody's trying to do something different. And everybody's trying to do something, from what most part, I can tell, really good and beneficial to the larger community of pickleball players. And outside of that, because it is. It's. I've never. I've never. You know, I've played a lot of sports in my life, but I've never come across anything quite like this. Yes, it's hard to explain, but I think your brand does a really good way of explaining it, because you. The keyword you hit on, which I love, and I try to be this way in all things in my life, is grateful.
You just. It's just to be able to move on a court, you know, and to hit a ball and at the end of the day, go home and enjoy your life. Yeah, I think it's. It's cool what you've done, and I think your. Your brand highlights that which I love. For joy.
[00:22:22] Speaker C: We're playing for joy. We play for joy is my hashtag. We play for joy. We give for joy. And yeah, I mean, it's a sport that, like, even if you play like crap and you lose everything, you still, like, end up having, like, it's still fun. It is experience. And then when you play really well, you're like, oh, my God.
[00:22:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm good again.
Yeah, I know. The silly little Wiffle ball game has somehow captivated a global audience. And so before we get you out of here, where do you see this going? Because we just started to really scratch the international part of this all. For the most part, it's been kind of a bubble in the US But. But I've interviewed some people, professionals who have gone over to, you know, places like India, and they're like, you have no idea what's coming, Mike.
[00:23:18] Speaker C: These people are taking off.
[00:23:20] Speaker A: Yeah, they're crazy for it, and there's billions of them. So where do you see this game going and where do you see your brand going?
[00:23:27] Speaker C: So I definitely see it going global. I definitely see it in the Olympics, hopefully, you know, in 2028, but we'll see.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sort of. I'm in it for the ride. Like, let's see where it goes. I mean, certainly right now, my focus is the US and trying to establish myself here, but that doesn't mean that I'd love to sell anywhere. So anyone who's listening and in another country and has a shop and wants to do business with me.
[00:23:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:23:58] Speaker C: There's no holds bar at this point, but, yeah, I mean, I see a lot of opportunity, you know, in. In all levels of the sport. But again, I mean, I still consider myself and I'm going to stay within that sort of place of the rec player, intermediate to advanced. I would love to come out with like another model that.
Not necessary. I mean, I think I have a great paddle. It's a. It. My husband's a, you know, 4.5 plus player, plays every day and does great with it and I have many advanced players playing with it. But I might want to come out with a different version, like a different style, maybe something that doesn't have an edge. Guards out like an edgeless. I'm also thinking about coming out with a more beginner level model because, you know, there's just, there's, there's so many people entering the sport every day and they don't necessarily want to spend $169 on a paddle.
[00:25:04] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:25:04] Speaker C: For sure. So I want to make it as inclusive as possible. Right. And have product out there that, you know. So if they're looking to just enter the sport and like my designs and still have a quality, I mean, it wouldn't be, you know, your super basic beginner, because I am a perfectionist. That would. I'm, you know, I've already actually getting some demos in that level player. But yeah, well, that's the thing.
[00:25:34] Speaker A: You don't have to spend a lot of money to have a really high quality paddle these days. Yeah, I review paddles that are 60, 70 bucks. You know, some of these are only sold on Amazon.
[00:25:44] Speaker C: Right.
[00:25:44] Speaker A: And they're nice.
They're plenty of paddle for anybody, let alone a beginner.
[00:25:51] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:25:52] Speaker A: I don't, I think we've almost passed the era of, you know, besides going to Walmart and buying a $7 paddle. But like, if you're going to invest in a paddle, you know, you know, there's, there's almost no bad paddles anymore because the technology is sifted down, you know, so there's high quality stuff out there and I love that you're going to diversify because, yeah, there's a pro market. Some people don't even know there's pro pickleball yet. Which is fine because the vast majority of us, the pro game could go away and we would never even know it was gone. Right, right. But there are the amateurs. And I think that's when I try and do reviews, I'm like, you know, I do a lot of the higher end paddles, but I do enjoy when somebody gives me sort of two versions. Like they'll give me their Pro model. And then you know, their model, that's for under 100 bucks. Because, you know, if you get into this game, nobody wants to drop that kind of money right away. We know they're going to stick with the game, but they don't know it.
[00:26:46] Speaker C: Right, exactly.
[00:26:47] Speaker A: Right.
[00:26:48] Speaker C: Yeah. And they just got to learn the game. Like, they have to, like, you know, how do you score and how do you get it over the net? And you don't need a $200 paddle to do that. You just need to get your, you know, your muscle going and.
[00:27:01] Speaker A: Right. It's like buying high end golf clubs and you don't know how to play golf quite yet. You're like, the technology that's in the club isn't going to help you. In fact, it's going to hurt you because you don't know what you're doing. And I, you know, people all the time that I play with, they want to get started. They're like, well, you've got some paddles. What do you think? I'm like, well, you know, I wouldn't start with all this because what you're doing now, none of this will matter.
[00:27:21] Speaker C: Right.
[00:27:22] Speaker A: You don't even spin the ball or anything yet. So, like, I wouldn't worry about that and not spend the money.
[00:27:27] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:27:28] Speaker A: Do what you do in anything else. If you stick with it and you get better, then you go to a higher level and then find a brand that you can connect with. And I think what I enjoy about the brands that I really connect with is they built a culture. Yeah, They've built a culture around their brand. It's not just some paddle they're slapping together and throwing out there. Yeah. There's more to it. And you have such layers to what you're doing that I enjoy seeing companies like that and I want to support them because for me, that's really what it's about. Like, I want to have a buying experience and I want to connect with that company.
[00:28:04] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: I connect greatly with what you're doing. And you know, you mentioned earlier that, you know, maybe paddles that have a little more of a masculine look like that. And I can see that. For me, for the record, I was like, this thing's dope. I don't, I know I'm playing with this thing. Look at this.
[00:28:20] Speaker C: It's amazing. Yeah, the sunset.
The sunset is, is one of my top sellers to men that, you know, this, this is, you know, I would say probably first to men, and then I have, I have this one, the fish.
[00:28:42] Speaker A: Oh, that's Trippy. Yeah.
[00:28:43] Speaker C: Yeah. Right.
[00:28:44] Speaker A: Like if you did this with that.
[00:28:49] Speaker C: Talk about spin. Yeah, that one. That one would be the next. That's. You know, when I first designed it, I thought that was my masculine paddle, but actually the sunset too, so. Yeah, but that's why you do polling. You gotta, you gotta see what, what do people like and what do they respond to and then.
[00:29:07] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:29:09] Speaker C: You know, I'm, I, I just don't. I didn't want to have like too many options because I feel like you can overwhelm buyers with too.
[00:29:15] Speaker A: I would agree.
[00:29:17] Speaker C: So it's, it's going to be. And I may do like limited edition things too, where it's like, you know, like, like that one's gonna. I'm only gonna get a certain number of those in stock and that's it.
[00:29:29] Speaker A: And yeah, guest artist, limited edition stuff. Really? Yeah.
[00:29:33] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:29:34] Speaker A: Wow. Very cool. Well, hey, I've really enjoyed talking with you and I love what you're doing and I'm looking forward to seeing you grow and I will support you in any way I can because, well, you've built what I a well rounded brand and I really like it a lot. And yeah, eye catching is I think, a slight understatement for your paddles because they are so different and I love them. And best of luck, Stacy.
[00:29:59] Speaker C: Thank you so much. I really appreciate it, Mike. I definitely wanted to get paddles on the courts that made a difference that people would see and say, hey, what's that? And then, you know, and then it's a conversation starter just like the game is and just get people conn what we're trying to do here.
[00:30:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Building community. And you've done it. Congratulations.
[00:30:23] Speaker C: Thanks, you too.
[00:30:25] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:30:26] Speaker C: You're amazing as well. I love what you're doing and thank you. I follow you closely and again, we'll chat offline and I'll send you more whenever you need.
[00:30:37] Speaker A: Well, thanks for your time, Stacy. And all the links in the description for FourJoyPattles.com below and discount codes and check out her lineup and continue to follow for obviously updates because she's talked about some exciting stuff to come.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: Hope you enjoyed our interview with stacy cleary from 4 joy pickleball. And check out the links below. I highly recommend her paddles. They're different, they will stand out and you will stand out with your paddle on the rack and on the court. All right, folks, at the end of the day, you know what to do.
[00:31:07] Speaker A: Check out all those links in the.
[00:31:09] Speaker B: Description and hey, let's pickle.
